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Round 1 - Valencia - RESULTS-STANDINGS-RACE REPORTS
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:18 pm    Post subject: Round 1 - Valencia - RESULTS-STANDINGS-RACE REPORTS Reply with quote

Qualifying + Sprint Race:
http://www.sim-project.net/howc/rfactorreport/src/index.php?qualyfile=http%3A%2F%2Fhowc06.howc.net%2Fhowc%2Fgp2%2Fround1%2FQ1.xml&racefile=http%3A%2F%2Fhowc06.howc.net%2Fhowc%2Fgp2%2Fround1%2FR1.xml&league=4&dbexport=false&submit=Submit

Feature Race:
http://www.sim-project.net/howc/rfactorreport/src/index.php?file=http%3A%2F%2Fhowc06.howc.net%2Fhowc%2Fgp2%2Fround1%2FR2.xml&submit2=Submit

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Note. Zaahir Essa got 2 extra points by setting up the 2 Fastest Laps on each race.
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Race 1

start was fine. first lap was fine. took everything easy and turned out to be boring Razz

Race 2

well now. start was interesting, i kept it clean as much as i could, then in third corner, i think ben did something funky and almost crashed into me, so i tried to avoid and ran wide...it was very sudden movement, so alex ended up hitting my rear, i doubt it was his fault. my car was then screwed and i hadta start catching up. caught up and passed a couple folks, nice and clean. then when i passed ben, hafta check the replay, some guy in front just swiped in front of me at the end of straight Shocked hadta take evasive action, then i see ben flash past my nose Shocked was quite a shocker. after i passed gustavo, i had a nice battle with stefan....i was running low wings, so i knew i could breeze past him on the straight....which i did. had to do a bit of farming to achieve it, but it worked out. when my tyres got worn, handling got BAD with my dead suspension.....time to pit, and so i go to pit entry and dont want to cut the line so i take it sorta easy. then i hear an engine rumble and a bang. moron. looks like gustavo missed a pit penalty by hitting me Razz after that moment my car was basically totalled. i could barely keep it on track, and ended up spinning off into the wall, needing another looong pit stop. got out and was getting to grips with the shocking handling and putting the moronic move of a moron out my mind. started catching alex slowly but surely, and on last lap i was pushing him. then suspension struck and i was left cutting at the wheel to stay on track....alex got away, and i was left to defend from hugo. got over the line and that was it![/b]
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sprint Race
After Qualifying 5th i did a clean start and was behind Felipe approaching the 1st or 2nd corner (cant remember) but then he disapeared and when it got back my front wing was stuck in his rear wing and my car lifted a bit in the air and i think i screwed his rear wing badly. He went into the pits but he retired after- Sorry Felipe but there was no way to avoid it. Then i had to do my whole race with my front wing pretty damaged and i ended up battling with John for 5th position and we had a great battle. I gained some time and caught him and after a mistake from him i overtook him and then he overtook me again. After some great maneuvers he did another mistake and i managed to finish 5th. Boy that was a great great battle.

Feature Race
Reverse grid and start from 5th (again). Clean start for me again, after passing some guys i did my whole race in 4th position until Zaahir had some problems and now i was 3rd and looking great for a podium. I had a comfortable lead of 14sec from Ben and with only 3min to go. But suddenly i looked into the Fuel and i was just about to ran out. That was cause when i did my pitstop i pitted about 2 laps earlier cause i was afraid to not make it to the pits. That cost me some fuel that i didnt noticed. Result: I had to pit 1 more time if i wanted to finish the race and when i came out i was 6th now Sad I couldnt believe it that after a 40min race and a podium in my hands because of that mistake i was now 6th... Almost catched Zaahir after he ran wide. Entering the last turn, i saw Alex parked in the middle of the track/pitlane and i noticed he had only about 3 wheels and i managed to pass him and end up in 5th.

Overall
Great Racing in Sprint and Feature Race. We had no Race Restarts which was once again very positive. Good battles. Great Season Opener. Bring Imola.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Race One
Started 4th and held it through the first corner, outbraked myself at corner 2 and moved up to 2nd position at the expense of Alex. Zaahir streaked off, whilst Gustavo caught me and went wide, then caught me again but tapped me on the back in sector 3, causing himself to spin, but there was no damage for either of us. I felt I could hold 2nd position to the end of the race, but as I came up to lap Ed (he was still a few seconds up the road) I missed my braking point focusing too much on where he was and lost my wing. Dropped to fourth but was 20+ seconds ahead of 5th. Alex lost a wing too, which put me up to 3rd which is where I finished.

Race Two
The reverse grid put me in 7th position and I had the perfect start, by the third corner I was in 1st place. I pulled away slowly from John, but by the time Gustavo had moved into 2nd, I already had an 8 second gap, I made an error which decreased the gap to 4, which he soon got down to less than 1. However, Zaahir was catching the both of us, and passed Gustavo which allowed me some borrowed time in P1 and to pull out a small gap that Zaahir soon ate up. I held him off for two laps, until he got a good run out of the last corner, and his straight line speed was a little better than mine so I did not fight him for it. Gustavo came by not long later after I outbraked myself at a hairpin a lap later. I pitted and came out in 3rd where I stayed for a few laps. Zaahir was going backwards due to his *beep*-up suspension and he spun going into a right-hander, allowing me to pass around the outside. I stayed in 2nd till the flag, though Gus was clearly quicker and pulled away about 1.5s per lap, which made me finish a lap down, as I crossed the line 3 seconds too late to start the final lap. Overall, pretty good as I was 3rd quickest with Alex, but got 3rd and 2nd in the two races. The racing was fun, moreso than at Hockenheim by some way and it was just cool I guess Razz
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sprint Race
PB in qualifying so I was happy, though I'd use only low TC on start and got away before anyone else, but bogged down severly and was 3rd by first corner.. Stefan came flying up the inside so I let him go, then he touched Alex and they went off @ T2, I thought I could get by but didn't make it and tucked behind Alex instead. mid race i spun following Stefan, got a little to close and on the kerb round that uphill right just after u start the 3rd sector. didn't lose a place, but fell back maybe 5s or so.. Caught up to alex again, went to pass then lag glued him to my front wing before teleporting him into the gravel trap. My bad alex. After that, Stefan went off, dunno why - and Zaahir was 30+ secs up the road so I cruised to the flag, fairly happy.

Feature Race
Starting 8th was pretty scary but I managed to get through all the first lap kerfuffle without any problem really, ppl were spinning left right and centre and I just drove past basically. Kept on going and soon came up behind John Harland, Ed & Hugo - was great battling all the way through and when I stuck it inside noone turned in which was great to see. Around this time I came up to lap chris and he was on the line so I moved left to pass him just when he moved left and braked and I mistakenly punted him off, so sorry for that chris lol. Ben was further up the road so I caught up to him eventually, but by this time Zaahir had gotten past Hugo and was getting bigger and bigger in my mirrors.

I got past Ben after he made a small mistake and ran wide - giving me the inside for the next corner, then I drove a couple of laps ahead of Zaahir, closing the gap to Stefan who was leading. Coming down the straight Zaahir had a huge speed advantage and coming into the first corner I let him by - knowing he was faster there was no point fighting and tucked in behind to follow him past stefan.

Strangely, I was able to stay within 1-1.5s of Zaahir and we both closed in on Stefan. I had a good veiw of the battle between Zaahir & Stefan, but was too far away (again, the speed advantage...) at the end of the straight to see him go by.. Whatever, Zaahir opened up a bit of a gap but not much, I was able to get past Stefan (can't remember where or how) and I started closing in on Zaahir again before the pitstop - by this point I was getting so anxious I was finding it really hard to concentrate lol - Coming onto the straight, I still had enough fuel for 1 more lap but Zaahir pulled to the right so I followed him in.

Now this is where it gets controversial. Zaahir wants me to believe that in a race I have to match the pace he is doing when he is coming into the pits. The way I see it, we were racing (roughly 1s apart ffs), Zaahir chose to slow down waaaay before the pit entry line to ensure he didn't get a penalty. He blames me, for knowing where I have to brake in order to get into & out of the pits as quickly as possible.

Whatever, with the speed difference so great I did well to just miss his car (on the replay - overhead view, my front left nips his right rear, but I was going so fast you have to be in slow motion to see it. Even so - Rfactor report didn't register any contact at that point so I wonder how Zaahir comes to the conclusion that it was me that ruined his race. A more than likely scenario me thinks is that with already fk'd up suspension, adding more fuel to the car did more harm than good...)

Amazingly, Zaahir still came out of the pits ahead of me, but I closed the gap quickly enough and two laps after our stop Zaahir went wide and I got past.

Another controversial moment now because when I got past suddenly Zaahir was all over the grass and hitting me on the side (I believe it was in an attempt to take me out, might've been coz of the suspension, I dunno, but I sure as hell didn't like it.) He ended up spinning because of it I think, and in my veiw is justice served. That kinda behaviour tarnishes the reputation of not just the driver - but the league as well. So if my 'pit-lane' incident is being investigated, I want what I just described above investigated too.

From then on, Zaahir dropped back, dropped a few insults in the chat, and generally acted like a fk'ing baby instead of getting on with it. I did get on with it & won the race. Nuff said...

Overall
A great result for myself, I never believed I could've been as competitive looking at the times ppl were doing in the days leading up to the race... So I'm proud, very proud - but the unfounded complaints from Zaahir has taken the shine off winning Race 2, despite it being one of the funnest I've driven in rF.

Overall I thought there was exemplary driving shown by all especially during the reverse grid race - could've been a receipe for disaster - so congrats to everyone who raced & See youse in Imola!

@ Zaahir - You can get my MSN from here and we can discuss it properly if you would like (and as I've already suggested as we were leaving the server) but I see you've chosen to come on here and insult me even more instead. calling me a moron on here after the race does nothing but reflect badly on you. You're attitude, particularly for one so fast, amazes me. All I hear from hugo is what a cool guy you are.... Until now, I haven't really seen it. go fk yourself, wanker. Rolling Eyes

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then i hear an engine rumble and a bang. moron. looks like gustavo missed a pit penalty by hitting me Razz


oooo here he comes with infinite wisdom... Has it ever occured to you that you do not know absolutely everything and that the pit entry
actually starts at the green light and not 100-200metres before? It's not my fault you're slowing down heaps before you should, so don't blame me because I was prepared.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright now that you two have trade insults in the forum (LOL) lets keep it cool and relaxed now. Afterall this is only racing and this is meant to be fun. If you two want this incident to be investigated forward your complaints to the Governing Body members and they will be investigate. If not please keep it quiet and enjoy your racing in 2 weeks at Imola. Afterall this was racing and probably you two have throw in valid points.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've said all that I had to say in my essay above. I only want that incident investigated if the pitlane one is. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay i just watched the Replay.

On one hand Zaahir brakes alot earlier.. Like 100-200 from the Lights (Where the pitline should be). Although he is free to drive in the pitlane at the speed he wants Smile

On other hand, Gustavo slightly touches Zaahir in the pitlane. Looks clear to me that Gustavo was trying to be fastest as possible during the pit operation which is also legitimate.

Obvious this was a race incident. Zaahir braked too earlier (which is legitimate, he cna drive in the speed he wants) and Gustavo was surprised to the fact that he was driving so slow and couldnt brake to avoid him. You can see at the last time that Gustavo puts his car into the right in an attempt to avoid Zaahir.

Conclusion: Imo this was a race incident. So leave it guys, have fun, put your differences apart and enjoy the Imola race in 2 weeks time. Please keep the harsh words away. As far as i know you guys, you are too cool guys so lets put this behind.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All in all a rubbish day, my first race was ruined by my pc all but crashing, creating massive lag and an inevitable collision, second race was ruined by bad driving, i drove the entire race with busted rear suspension, and got to the end and decided to have a huge accident instead of finishing.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

to the point Alex... Wink
I've gotta work on that Laughing
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If you like getting to the point Gus, i suggest you ignore this point, as most people know, I am pretty descriptive in my replies! Very Happy

Anyway I wasnt expecting to race, but Ivan's late pullout, plus the fact Amanda is on placement this week, so doesnt go into to uni, and that I could afford to be late to my course, all meant I could cover him... But seeing as i had never raced these cars and hardly drove this track, I was expecting nothing at all..

Race one
Well I didnt expect much, qualifying 8th and almost last. So took it easy, learnt the car and track some more and kept out of trouble, thanks to one of the faster guys retiring i took home 7th..

Race two
Reverse grid and I was shit scared as I knew I had no pace. Anyway managed to get through the carnage, dont know what zaahir is talking about, as he wasnt that close ot me when he spun, but who knows in the madness of cars going everywhere, i was just trying to avoid ppl.

Was 3rd for a while, eventually some of the faster guys past me, including zaahir where the guy infront of us suddenyl swerved at him and i had to take avoiding action, which almost meant I took out Zee...

Anyway eventualyl ended up behind hugo and just kept my pace, started doing laps in the 1m 28s so I was clearly getting faster and didnt even know I was 3rd at the end. The last few minutes were fun as Alex was closing on me quite quickl, but he ran out of time..

Overall
Good fun, quite clean racing, but with only 9 guys I guess it is expected.. Shame I probably wont be able to race again lol
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL gustavo u make me laugh. i tarnished the racing here? oh man. u are something paranormal. 1stly, my suspension was dead after 3corners in the race. how would the same fuel load cause an undriveable car Confused i think my pit guys put on 3wheels.....i dunno, i'll hafta check the replay Rolling Eyes

when i watched the replay from ur onboard, u can see i was slwoing down, but chose to try and fly past and overtake in a pit lane manoevre.....u did hit me, thats for sure, even u said it urself: be it a minor touch in ur replay, but a minor touch at a speed differential of 60km/h is quite something. crazy shit like that in the pit lane in my opinion is a BIG no no, and i am pretty shocked sumin like this will go unpunished. i wonder wat would have happnd if the 10cars behind kimi in the pitlane at spa a couple yrs back when pile-driving into him when he slowed down Rolling Eyes

as for the incident after, my suspension was totally dead, and any movements on the track was becoz of that. you should have realised this coz our "battle" continued for 3laps, it wasnt ONE out-of-the-blue incident where i tried to kill u. two wrongs dont make a right, so i was merely trying to defend my position from u, and at the same time battling mad suspension damage. i apologise if that came across like i was trying to take u out, but that was NEVER the case bro Wink u have no idea how bad it was. i was contemplating quiting coz it seemed like a danger to other drivers, but i managed to control the car better as the laps wore on.

i hope we can just go away from this with a word that this is NOT gp4 where u fly into the pits at will. u must respect other drivers' positions on the track, every1 is human here and not AI, and pit lane incidents in my opinion should NEVER EVER be tolerated. if u think a view like that is tarnishing the league, then u are truly from another planet. i hope we can move on from this by accepting what u did was dangerous and wont attempt something like this again. coz i dont like not being friends with sum1 for something so silly Rolling Eyes racing is just racing, and sorry if i came across all *beep* up.
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pre race I was waiting for my activation code for Rfactor to be sorted as id used all my licences aparantly. so 20mins before the race i had got my code sorted and spent 20mins hecticaly downloading and installing.

Race One Got on the server finaly only for pc to crash TWICE so i missed the race in the end. so i went and did some prctice on my own wilst people did the race.

Race Two Got on YAY!! back of the grid. took it slow so not to take people off and whilst goin down the straight saw a car spin and stop almost right infront of me. so i avoided and went off track to get round them almost hit wall got stuck in gravel for a moment. going round last a couple of people dropped out. so i was 7th then i spun an dropped to 8th. letting people past me i got stuck on the curb warned people to avoid me. lost my front wing a lil later on so pitted few laps later i hit the wall completly writing my car off lol.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahahahaha... Nice Pre-Race report Chris!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fighterpilot wrote:
LOL gustavo u make me laugh. i tarnished the racing here? oh man. u are something paranormal.


you're entitled to your opinion. It was my first race with you guys... the way I see it I woke up at 6am when I didn't have to for a bit of fun, only to be called a moron by an inflated ego during & after the race.

fighterpilot wrote:
...1stly, my suspension was dead after 3corners in the race...
crazy shit like that in the pit lane in my opinion is a BIG no no, and i am pretty shocked sumin like this will go unpunished. i wonder wat would have happnd if the 10cars behind kimi in the pitlane at spa a couple yrs back when pile-driving into him when he slowed down Rolling Eyes


You wanna talk about what would happen in real life?

If a driver suspects his suspension is dead - more often than not he will park it there and then and walk home. alternatively, he will drive slowly back to the pits staying off the line... let me see... which one did you pick?
Oh thats right, Option C -
"I'll just keep fighting @ full speed, knowing full well its dangerous, then use it as an excuse should I do anything noone agrees with.."

Kimi was under safety car @ that race in Spa '04. Everyone behind him wasn't entering the pitlane at full speed. Yellow flags were flying everywhere. Wanna try again?

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i hope we can just go away from this with a word that this is NOT gp4 where u fly into the pits at will. u must respect other drivers' positions on the track, every1 is human here and not AI, and pit lane incidents in my opinion should NEVER EVER be tolerated. if u think a view like that is tarnishing the league, then u are truly from another planet.


This is the last I will say on this topic, because you've got your veiws and I've got mine and they aren't likely to change any time soon...

BUT, I have never entered in any race - karting or otherwise - where it was mandatory to follow the pace set by the leader (EDIT- unless under caution).

What your describing is not racing, its follow the leader. And thats all well and good when you're the leader all the time, innit Zaahir? Just gets a little harder to swallow when the roles are reversed... Or am I confusing the situation?

Anyways, you want to paint me as the villian for that final little touch which put your damaged suspension over the edge? Fine. You want me to take full responsibility for hitting you when you slowed down on the track? (remember pit lane starts and ends at the line, everything else is track) Fine again. Heck, if you want, I'll even take responsibility for you spinning at the beginning of the race too - I was behind you at the time, but hey since we're playing the blame game, I must've had a voodoo doll named Zaahir in the cockpit that I was willing on to crash ey.

Doesn't matter anymore...

Its finished now, roll on imola
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